Trapping question

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LoneOakMartins
Posts: 166
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:05 pm
Location: Lone Oak, TX

I have out two HOSP traps that have white bread and some bird seed inside as bait. They are on a solid base so the birds can't see thru. I'm not catching anything. Any suggestions?
2014 - 50 pair, 206 eggs, 179 fledge
2013 - 36 pair, 176 eggs, 148 fledge
2012 - 8 pair, 21 eggs, 15 fledge
2011 - 6 pair, 15 eggs, 11 fledge
Bulldog1
Posts: 700
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:33 am
Location: Mississippi/Hamilton

Well I know I am in a different part of the country but I have only caught 1 this year after taking out at least 35 last year.
PMCA member
2015 - 18 Gourds offered - 12 active nests, 62 eggs, 51 fledged
2014 - 18 gourds offered - 12 active nests, 52 eggs, 48 fledged
2013 - 12 gourds offered - 9 pairs, 56 eggs, 52 hatched, 49 fledged
2012 - 12 gourds offered -4 pairs, 20 eggs, 19 fledged
2011 - 6 gourds offered -1 pair, 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 fledged !!!!
AidanRois
Posts: 182
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:19 am
Location: Mississippi/Horn Lake
Martin Colony History: Since 2012

I'm the same as Bulldog at the moment... but when I trapped the ones I could last year, I had the bread, seed, and various nesting 'crap' that they would like inside. I caught the first when I accidentally left it on the back patio with seed scattered around. I then used her as bait, and they just came to it. That afternoon I had 4 in there. So maybe put nesting things like yarn or feathers inside too, and leave it somewhere they like to hop around or the like.
Tiffeny N. - Horn Lake, MS - PMCA member
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Siberman
Posts: 262
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:03 pm
Location: Titus County , TX

I believe they recognize the trap for what it is after a while . I feed black sunflower seed during the winter then quit at the end of January . I then bait the trap with the seed (as well as white bread ). I caught 20 + hsps in late January / early February but haven't been able to attract any since even with nesting material in the trap. I do have an extremely territorial pair of Bluebirds in residence though.

Last year I had more success with sparrow fledglings . I have several inaccesible areas on my land where they can breed but they always come around the house looking for food . Keep the adults out of your housing by all means but you might have better results by destroying next year's breeders.
2010: 5 pair - raptor attack .
2011 : nada .
2012 : 1 pair - 5 eggs / 5 fledged .
2013: zero
2014: Lots of visitors
2015 : several visitors . Seriously considering purchasing a drone to scare off raptors .
LoneOakMartins
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Location: Lone Oak, TX

Do you set your trap on the ground or is it sitting on a table up off the ground? Thanks
2014 - 50 pair, 206 eggs, 179 fledge
2013 - 36 pair, 176 eggs, 148 fledge
2012 - 8 pair, 21 eggs, 15 fledge
2011 - 6 pair, 15 eggs, 11 fledge
AidanRois
Posts: 182
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:19 am
Location: Mississippi/Horn Lake
Martin Colony History: Since 2012

Complete agreement with Siberman. I did have to move it around as they began to recognize it, and did catch a lot of fledglings in there since they don't know what it is yet.

I had mine on the ground with some plywood underneath to provide the visual floor and sitting on the concrete on the patio.
Tiffeny N. - Horn Lake, MS - PMCA member
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LoneOakMartins
Posts: 166
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:05 pm
Location: Lone Oak, TX

Thanks for the information. I'll move it tomorrow and add some feathers and such.
2014 - 50 pair, 206 eggs, 179 fledge
2013 - 36 pair, 176 eggs, 148 fledge
2012 - 8 pair, 21 eggs, 15 fledge
2011 - 6 pair, 15 eggs, 11 fledge
AidanRois
Posts: 182
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:19 am
Location: Mississippi/Horn Lake
Martin Colony History: Since 2012

Pieces of yarn and tufts of my husky's shedding were popular items in mine as well as the seed and bread. Even my resident mockingbird will land on top and try to pull on the yarn sometimes. I hope all this helps!
Tiffeny N. - Horn Lake, MS - PMCA member
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Emil Pampell-Tx
Posts: 6743
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:26 pm
Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas

I would spill a little on the outside, then make a trail to the inside. After they start, they will follow the food down the trail into the trap, works for me.
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
LoneOakMartins
Posts: 166
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:05 pm
Location: Lone Oak, TX

Emil, yours is on the ground?
2014 - 50 pair, 206 eggs, 179 fledge
2013 - 36 pair, 176 eggs, 148 fledge
2012 - 8 pair, 21 eggs, 15 fledge
2011 - 6 pair, 15 eggs, 11 fledge
Emil Pampell-Tx
Posts: 6743
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:26 pm
Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas

yes, on the driveway, or sidewalk, or on the ground..
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
BumBee
Posts: 413
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:47 am
Location: Sugar Land, Texas

I think live sparrows are your best bait. I made the cage with the live sparrows in it and place
It on top of one of my PMCA repeating baited trap. I placed a live sparrow in it and at the end
of the day a few more were added.
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As you can see there are hardly any seeds in the bait tray of the trap.
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Archer
Posts: 766
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:09 pm
Location: Manitoba/Altona
Martin Colony History: six pair in 2014, have grown to 52 pairs in 2017.

I have had good success trapping sparrows. Trap placement is important for catching sparrows. One question I asked myself when deciding where to place the trap was, where do they natrually hang out? where do they want to be? At my place it is was the martin house furthest away from my house. I have two martin houses. When I come out the door they scoot over to the far away house. I place my trap on a picnic table 10 feet from the far away house.
Sparrows that come into my yard are usually trapped within an hour or two. Repeating traps are deadly with live bait. They suck in any new arrivals. I think having the trap off the ground helps make it more visible to the sparrows and gives sparrows a sense of security. They will hang around longer if it is up a little. Better chance of catching them if they stick around.
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.
2020-62 pair.
LoneOakMartins
Posts: 166
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:05 pm
Location: Lone Oak, TX

Thanks everyone, I've got some adjustments to make. Hopefully, I'll start catching some soon.
2014 - 50 pair, 206 eggs, 179 fledge
2013 - 36 pair, 176 eggs, 148 fledge
2012 - 8 pair, 21 eggs, 15 fledge
2011 - 6 pair, 15 eggs, 11 fledge
jeffwilliams72
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:22 am
Location: Indiana/Carthage

I keep my HOSP trap on top of my Bantam chicken house, as they are always trying to squeeze into the chicken house to steal food. I think because of all the manuevering they do to get in the house, they have no problem squeezing into the trap.
2008/1st pair/ 4 fledged
2009-2010 visitors only
2011/2 pr/9 eggs/8 fledged
2012/9pr/33 fledged
2013/27pr/101 fledged
jr 2
Posts: 749
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:20 pm
Location: ohio,proctorville(just across ohio river from huntington,west virginia)

i have an st1 bait trap and 2 spar-a-door traps and i haven't caught any sparrows yet;;i haven't even seen one;;i caught about 15 or 20 last year;;;hope they stay away;;jr2
PMCA member; s 2011 2 pair fledged 3; 2012 3 asy pair,4 sy pair,2013 8 asy pair,6 sy pair;2014 19 asy pair,2 sy pair
Siberman
Posts: 262
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:03 pm
Location: Titus County , TX

I set my trap on top of an old ice chest . Last year ( with the fledglings) I had it across the arms of a patio chair. It didn't seem to matter to the young birds that they could see through the bottom but I didn't catch one adult in that location.
2010: 5 pair - raptor attack .
2011 : nada .
2012 : 1 pair - 5 eggs / 5 fledged .
2013: zero
2014: Lots of visitors
2015 : several visitors . Seriously considering purchasing a drone to scare off raptors .
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