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Hanaho01
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Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:54 pm
Location: Central Tennessee

Have been looking over plans for cedar suite and t-14 housing. Being as this will be first year of trying to attract martins I thought I might offer them a choice of housing. If I built either one I would modify the entry and use Troyer tunnels. I would then hang Troyer gourds under the the wood housing. So 4 gourds. I already have the wood on hand so not a big expense upfront to build wood structure. For a pole will end up using galv electrical or black pipe reenforced with smaller pipe in base. Does this sound like a sound plan????? Am leaning toward cedar suite at this point
Dave Duit
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Martin Colony History: In 2020, 60 pair with 285 fledged youngsters. 83 total cavities available, 58 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified deep trio metal house units, 1 fallout shelter, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

Hi Hanah,
Bless you for planning on providing a future home to martins. Many people that are just starting out try to keep their cost of housing low until after they actually get martins and then spend more money as they go forth. If you plan on the cedar T14 or use pine with good coats of white paint be sure you don't scrimp on the poles strength, always over strengthen with T 14 housing since they weight alot. I like your plans and I wish you the best my friend. On a side note, a good steel cable and winch work well with T14s.
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.
daveh
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Location: Kingsville Mo.

Hanah, I have built the T14 and a North Star out of wood. Both have gourds below them. The combo works well. They are usually full of birds. They are very heavy. The T14 is around 130 lbs. , the North Star around 100 lbs. You will for sure need a winch and cable set up. I built the laminated post, 4x6, that's included in the T14 plan book sold by the PMCA. I also built a laminated post for the North Star, both are still straight and working well. The T14 post and house are 15 years old. I recommend heavy duty posts for heavy duty wooden houses.

The cedar suite plans recommend either a 2 inch square aluminum pole or 1 1/4 inch gal. pole. I think that's good because that house is not real big and heavy.

Dave
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Hanaho01
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Location: Central Tennessee

Wow, knew t14 would be heavy. My t14 plan book just arrive yesterday so have been looking through it. Cedar suite is nice but it think I would mod to make the nest boxes just a little bigger. I like the idea of the slide out nest insert to make nest changes easier and faster. I do have some clear pine i salvedged from my last house And also good supply of cypress I use for bluebird boxes and to build feeders. Looking forward to the project. Still trying to find a salvage yard that might have a bigger post Am going to check on lumber for possible post build too
Dave Reynolds
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Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
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.... The T-14 is a good winter project to build... I didn’t build mine, the Amish people in the area did.. it’s well put together... If you decide to build a wooden pole, you will probably like it,, I built mine with two 2X6X16 and a 1X6 in between the 2X6’s.. I staggered the 2X6X16 to make a 20 foot pole.. Also put 3 foot of the pole in the ground.. It has held up great, going on 10 years now.. Still straight... Enjoy your project... Let us know how it is going from time to time...

Dave
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Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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Hanaho01
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Location: Central Tennessee

Interesting Dave. 16 ft is what is available around here
Dave Reynolds
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2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Hanaho01 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:00 pm
Interesting Dave. 16 ft is what is available around here
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... Randy... I guess I didn’t give you the total amount of lumber I used... I thought maybe you had the plans for this type of pole... I used Two 2X6X16 foot,,, Two 1X6X10 foot,, One 2X6X8 foot.. The 2X6X8 foot board was cut into to make Two 2X6X4 foot.. I laid the 2X6X16 on my Drive Way Pad and laid one of the 2X6X4 foot long against the end of the 2X6x16.. (Making the first section of the pole now Twenty Foot Long). Then I laid the two 1X6X10 foot on top of the two pieces, and screwed the Two 1X6X10 foot to the two pieces.. Making a Twenty foot long Pole section.. Now laid the other 2X6X16 and the other 2X6X4 on top of the 1X6X10 and screw them together... Just make sure you use the two 2X6X4 on the opposite ends of the pole section.. That way the splice is at opposite ends... Hopes this helps...

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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flyin-lowe
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I built both of my T14's and made my own poles. If you happen to have a plumbing contractor near by or a scrap yard I would check there. The first one I bought a 20 foot piece of 3 1/2 inch galvanized pipe for my pole. Back then the pipe was only 3.00 per foot. Since than it has gone up quite a bit and the one I put up a couple years ago I found the same type of pipe at a local scrap yard. 3 1/2 inch galvanized. I put a ground sleeve in the ground 4 foot deep and slip the pipe into the ground sleeve (with the help of some friends). I build a wooden carrier for them that slides up and down the pipe and the house mounts to that. At the scrap yard the piece of pipe was around 50.00, I can't remember exactly now.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
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