Martins Predawn Song Queston.

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randy741985
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Does anybody Know How far Martins travel from Their nest when singing the Dawn Song in the predawn Hours? I ask because I have them over head at my house for the last two morning singing the dawn song.
This is my 4th. year trying to get Martins.The closest Martin Colony to me is about a Half mile that I know of. But it is defiantly Martins singing the dawn song.
2018-14 Gourds First Year 0 Martins
2019- 14 Gourds Lots Lookers
2020- 6 Gourds had one male stay 3 weeks.
2021- TBD
Rafke77
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Location: Plymouth, IN
Martin Colony History: 2021 Texas deep freeze, first arrived 4/6.

2020 first arrived 3/27. 21 pair, 92 fledged, 9 non viable.

2019 first time with Martin's, first arrived 4/24 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable.

I've never seen ours leave our gourds in the morning. What I've noticed is at dusk they come out onto the perch rods and start singing. As the sun comes out and warms everything up, they tend to start flying around. For the most part, I can see how far mine go, they do large loops, out a hundred yards or so and return. By mid morning they start disappearing for longer times and to distances I can't see.

However, with that other colony so close to yours, you should be getting some of the offspring from them if they're successful. I've heard a few people say that a small fraction return to the gourds they were born at, with others returning to the "area" they were born. Are you playing the dawn song in the morning when they are flying around you?
C.C.Martins
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Martin Colony History: 2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA made adjustments and next year was successful.
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Well that is a good question. I have not heard ours singing yet- full force anyway, but some of the males have been mixing the dawn song in their repituar as they fly around. Few years now males have been either on their porches singing pre dawn or fly way up and sing. As to how far they go, can't be too far...only experience iv had is early morning walks before work and if I go about 3 blocks over I can't hear them. Was it the wind, don't know.
As to your question, iv heard that they sing it to advertise their site to others? You should not have long to wait, surely you've had visitors?
Like to hear what others say. Man, I love that sound.
Tom
PMCA member, believer in nest checks, venting, SREH and pest/predator protection.
randy741985
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Rafke77 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:48 pm
I've never seen ours leave our gourds in the morning. What I've noticed is at dusk they come out onto the perch rods and start singing. As the sun comes out and warms everything up, they tend to start flying around. For the most part, I can see how far mine go, they do large loops, out a hundred yards or so and return. By mid morning they start disappearing for longer times and to distances I can't see.

However, with that other colony so close to yours, you should be getting some of the offspring from them if they're successful. I've heard a few people say that a small fraction return to the gourds they were born at, with others returning to the "area" they were born. Are you playing the dawn song in the morning when they are flying around you?
Yes I have been playing it in the morning about a hour before day break. But for the last few days I heard them before I started playing it. Maybe they have started coming because I had been playing it.
2018-14 Gourds First Year 0 Martins
2019- 14 Gourds Lots Lookers
2020- 6 Gourds had one male stay 3 weeks.
2021- TBD
deancamp
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I have heard mine singing the dawnsong last year and again this year. Last year I heard a few of them overhead at dawn. This year I have heard a single male the last 2 mornings at dawn singing from the gourd racks. I would imagine when they're up high singing it would carry for some distance.
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Rafke77
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Location: Plymouth, IN
Martin Colony History: 2021 Texas deep freeze, first arrived 4/6.

2020 first arrived 3/27. 21 pair, 92 fledged, 9 non viable.

2019 first time with Martin's, first arrived 4/24 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable.

randy741985 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 6:38 pm

Yes I have been playing it in the morning about a hour before day break. But for the last few days I heard them before I started playing it. Maybe they have started coming because I had been playing it.
I would have to agree with you. Have you had any luck since you originally posted?
randy741985
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Martin Colony History: 2018-First Year 0 Martins
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2020- TBD

Rafke77 wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 3:03 pm
randy741985 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 6:38 pm

Yes I have been playing it in the morning about a hour before day break. But for the last few days I heard them before I started playing it. Maybe they have started coming because I had been playing it.


I would have to agree with you. Have you had any luck since you originally posted?

No, I hadn't seen any vistors lately, this has probably been my worst year so far.
2018-14 Gourds First Year 0 Martins
2019- 14 Gourds Lots Lookers
2020- 6 Gourds had one male stay 3 weeks.
2021- TBD
Rafke77
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:47 pm
Location: Plymouth, IN
Martin Colony History: 2021 Texas deep freeze, first arrived 4/6.

2020 first arrived 3/27. 21 pair, 92 fledged, 9 non viable.

2019 first time with Martin's, first arrived 4/24 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable.

randy741985 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 8:35 pm


No, I hadn't seen any vistors lately, this has probably been my worst year so far.
Don't give up, this year's been very wacky. Mine have showed up much later than normal, They are still showing up now, A few more each day. I still haven't seen many second years so I'm hoping those will increase the numbers.
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