Discontinue Dawnsong?

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Mitch Booth
Posts: 480
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:23 am
Location: Akron, OH
Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 - 17 pair

Okay I have one pair nest building. They are an ASY male and an SY female. They have been at my site for a week now spending the night and noticed the female carrying straw into two different gourds. Maybe she can't make up her mind....? No eggs yet.

Any harm in continuing to let the Dawn song play? I would assume it would draw in SY's during the day when the actual vocalization is not typically produced by the adult males.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Sure am happy with one pair but would love to have 2,3 or 4 so I don't end up martinless again next year like last year only having one successful nest in 2013.

Mitch
2020 - 17 pair 77 eggs 69 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
DornCounty
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Trio-Jedi

all I can tell you is what I did. Once I had an overnight stay I turned it off. Figured it would draw undue attention to new arrivals. Everyone has always said the best recruiters to new colonies are the martins themselves. My first pair quickly turned into six over the course of 2 weeks.
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BIOteacher012
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Location: Wisconsin/Montello

Hey Mitch,
Congratulations once again!! You have an ASY male committed......much better than one pair of SY birds. He has made the trip 2 times back and forth and has some experience. Survival for him to return are twice as good for next year....compared to your last experience.

I would turn off the recording. The last post said it perfectly. Your real martin pair will do the best job of attracting extras ASY and SY birds this season. Since they're committed to your site, sit back and enjoy the real deal.....and listen to the real sounds. Your colony will grow on its own.
BrianT
2017 38 nesting pairs, 181 fledged
2016 22 nesting pairs, 113 fledged
2015 20 nesting pairs, 91 fledged
2014 10 nesting pairs, 49 fledged
2013 4 nesting pairs, 15 fledged
2012 Lots of lookers but no nesters
Mitch Booth
Posts: 480
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:23 am
Location: Akron, OH
Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 - 17 pair

Thanks!!

Brian how's your Dad doing?

I think I will turn it off. I've seen several other SY birds show up briefly, mostly male and will wait to see what happens.

Mitch
2020 - 17 pair 77 eggs 69 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
Doug Martin - PA
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Location: Pennsylvania/Fombell
Martin Colony History: First pair in 2009 after 28 years of trying. 3 pairs 2010, 17 pairs 2011 and 35-45 pairs since. Many additional colonies are now springing up around mine in an area once completely void of Martins. I offer 50 compartments at my site consisting of primarily Excluder II gourds on Gemini racks. Also a wooden T-14. I utilize electric fence type predator guards on the base of the poles. Supplemental feeding is crucial in maintaining my colony. I platform feed throughout the season as needed. My site tends to be a stop over point for additional birds as they migrate further north.

Hi Mitch,

Glad to hear you have attracted a pair.

You could be more selective when you play it but the pair you have there is the best magnet on the planet.

When you get a day of good south winds ahead of a front I would still take advantage of trying to pull a few more birds down from the sky. Your birds may be busy building which is a quiet time for them.

Time will tell how good a salesman your male is. Some are very good at bringing in others for a look. Others are not very good at all and will even try to run off any other potential tenants.

Keep an eye on his behavior. Is he the ultimate salesman (which I had) or a rack hog that won't let others in. If it's the second one prepare to put another pole in the ground with a little distance from the "rack hog".

I have seen it both ways.

Doug
Supplemental feeding plays a major role in western Pennsylvania. Finally got my 1st pair in 2009 after 28 years of effort. 3 pairs in 2010. 17 pairs in 2011. 35 pairs and 150 young in 2012 & 2013. Plus a new 22 pair colony right down the road from me.
Mitch Booth
Posts: 480
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:23 am
Location: Akron, OH
Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 - 17 pair

DornCounty,

Was one of your first overnight visitors an ASY male? I figure I have about two weeks left in the season in order to try and attract new birds. I'm in Northeast Ohio.

Do you happen to remember when your colony first started the approximate date your first birds spent the night?

I'm just trying to judge how much time I have left. Don't get me wrong I'm overly thrilled to have one pair seemingly committed to my site but I would just be thrilled if I could get 2,3 or maybe even 4 pair my first year (actually 4th but didn't have any returns last year) in order to give me a little better of a chance in getting some to return next year.

Thanks

Mitch
2020 - 17 pair 77 eggs 69 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
John Miller
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I continue to worry playing it may interfere with your existing pair. What if you were engaged in homemaking and other things with your wife and some guy was yak yak yaking just outside your door? Would your mate relax? Would you?

John M
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Martin Colony History: Started trying to attract purple martins in 2012! It's finally happened in 2017! 5 years!!! ASY male and SY female came May 1st, fledged 5 babies!

Mitch,
I turned mine off last Tuesday when The SYM had a female. Was only playing it soft on low volume to calm her down. No need to have it on! They will bring in more than that cd! If there's birds out there they will come to the martins that are there! Mine have been very quiet today and I think they like that. No sparrows or starlings all day that I have seen! These 2 have not left for very long all day! Good luck
Sharon from southern Illinois
BIOteacher012
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Location: Wisconsin/Montello

Hey Mitch,
My dad is still waiting to get just one visitor this year. He hasn't seen a darn thing. I feel bad for his situation because my colony is really growing daily right now. I plan to hit that 20-25 pair limit, and then plug the rest of my entrances. I want overflow to head to surrounding sites, hopefully to my dad. In the meantime, we wait it out and hope!! Since we talked, he has added a few more decoys to his setup and is now alternating dawnsong with the chatter CD. He is doing all he can right now. He knows that it's still early, but time is ticking!!
BrianT
2017 38 nesting pairs, 181 fledged
2016 22 nesting pairs, 113 fledged
2015 20 nesting pairs, 91 fledged
2014 10 nesting pairs, 49 fledged
2013 4 nesting pairs, 15 fledged
2012 Lots of lookers but no nesters
DornCounty
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Trio-Jedi

Mitch Booth wrote:DornCounty,

Was one of your first overnight visitors an ASY male? I figure I have about two weeks left in the season in order to try and attract new birds. I'm in Northeast Ohio.

Do you happen to remember when your colony first started the approximate date your first birds spent the night?

I'm just trying to judge how much time I have left. Don't get me wrong I'm overly thrilled to have one pair seemingly committed to my site but I would just be thrilled if I could get 2,3 or maybe even 4 pair my first year (actually 4th but didn't have any returns last year) in order to give me a little better of a chance in getting some to return next year.

Thanks

Mitch
Yes first 2 pairs for ASY male and female. They stayed the night of the first day I noticed them.
2017 - Home & Public Colonies - 300 Cavities
Mitch Booth
Posts: 480
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:23 am
Location: Akron, OH
Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 - 17 pair

Brian,

I do feel for your Dad because I could have very easily been in the same situation! I have noticed all the activity seems to center around the Troyer horizontal gourds vs the super gourds which have the aluminum owl guards on them. I ended up putting Conley II entrances on ALL gourds. The birds seem to really like the porches.

Keep me updated and I'll do the same!!!!

Mitch
2020 - 17 pair 77 eggs 69 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
Bob Buskas
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Location: Wetaskiwin Alberta, Canada

From my experience, I would turn it off. The problem I found is that the dawn song played to often attracted Merlin's and hawks. You have a pair nesting now, let your Male do his own thing and attract more Martins once his female has laid eggs. Believe me he will, The males job changes once his female is incubating. He will build his own colony. Sit back, watch and enjoy! Keep us posted.
Bob Buskas, Alberta, Canada (The Northern Sky's Colony) Supplimental feeding is the key during bad weather, but you must train them to feed ahead of time.
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