Owls and gourd set ups

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Whippy
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Location: Plano, Texas
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Good evening all.

I did search the forum and did not see any posts that related to this question. If there is one I missed it.

Anyway.

I've seen videos of owls attacking gourds at night and I noticed the the gourds are in the fixed position meaning they do not swing. Mine are set up to swing. I will post pictures of my set up at some point when I figure out how to. In your experience, will owls have trouble with gourds that swing freely to a point where they won't do any damage to the occupants? I know owls are quite agile and persistent and may be able to cause damage but am thinking the freely swinging gourds won't allow them a solid platform from which to operate.

This is my first year attempting to establish a colony. As of today, I have not seen any Martins in Plano, TX.

Thanks in advance.

Coolwhips
2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
Ravens5281
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Location: Seymour, Indiana
Martin Colony History: PMCA Member:
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest

Whippy, If u get the Photobucket app & up load ur pics on it u can copy them from there to post as many of them here!!
PMCA Member: From Seymour, Indiana
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
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Whippy
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That's a great idea. I'll try to get that done over the weekend so I can begin to share photos.

While in the process of getting set up for the Martins, I did a lot of research and saw how many landlords wold hang their gourds with wire so they would swing. I've gone a different route and have used clips that are, in my opinion, a but more secure. I will post a picture of that set up soon. It's pretty simple and probably not ground breaking but I like it.

I'm wondering with the unstable platform would it make it difficult for larger birds to manage. I know I'll fall off of something that moves that much.

Thank you very much.

Coolwhips
2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
Ravens5281
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Location: Seymour, Indiana
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Name: Stu Silver III
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Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest

Ok yea sounds good!! I would like to see what u have & probably a lot of others do to! That's how u learn new ideas on here by sharing urs etc! That's how I've learned some of mine anyways lol!!! I also am going to mount some of these predator guards like this!! Image Image
I purchased them off Amazon & im neighbor uses them for his duck coup & he hasn't had any problems coyotes! I plan on mounting mine up high on my perch rod pole & mount them so they will face all sides that way all sides r covered!! It's a triangular pole so that's why I only needed 3! I'm still trying to figure out how to scare hawks away! Bottle Rockets work will bc I had a hawk this winter sitting in a tree that is close to my neighbors pm box & he hasn't been back! Don't have any owl problems but just trying to prevent or detour them before it becomes a problem so don't know if it will even work but it's worth a shot!! Also I have some natural gourds that I have been working on this winter & he is how I'm going to mount them Image
They really swing & twist quite a bit so don't know if that's a good or bad thing bc I still want the pms to be able to get in them on windy days!! But that idea of hanging them with hooks like that I got just from reading pm books so all the credit goes to those people. I just thought of hanging them under the boxes like this would be easier to manage & take off at the end of the yr
PMCA Member: From Seymour, Indiana
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest
Whippy
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Location: Plano, Texas
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This is a photo of 8 of my 16 gourds. The Martins are all visiting checking it out. They were going in and out of the gourds and seemed to just be having fun. They did this for about two weeks before departing for the remainder of the year. This photo was taken June 25,2016 at 10:50am. My wife took it with her cell phone and sent it to me at work.

If you look closely at the mounts you can see how the gourds are hung. There is an eyebolt through the arm then the clip is attached to that and then to the gourd. Those clips are $0.98 a piece at The Home Depot.

I think I said I would post this picture on another thread so if you see it twice I apologize. I will take a better photo in the morning of the mounting system as I got home from work after dark today.

And thank you Ravens for the advice about photo bucket. It works well as you can see.


Coolwhips
Last edited by Whippy on Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
BW Fowler
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Coolwhips,

Looks like a nice set-up.

Try searching for Kathy Freeze. She has posted a large amount of stuff about owls.

Tough problem. I have lots of horned owls around. I use the tunneled gourds to add depth, and put the metal rods sticking out in front of the entrance. Keeping my fingers crossed and glad I haven't had an issue at this point.

Best of luck,
BW
2009-2013 a few visitors.
2014: 1 pair of SY love birds, 5 fledges; 2015: 7 pair, 34 Fldg; 2016: 12p/54F; 2017: 14p/71F;
2018: 24p/103F; 2019: 29p/130F; 2020: 38p/190F
Whippy
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I'm not sure I have owls yet but will keep an eye out. I guess if they figure out theres a meal to be had I might see them more frequently. Thank you for the information on K Freeze. I'll have a look around.

Coolwhips.
2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
BW Fowler
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Location: TX/Buda

Probably better to have some deterrent than nothing. Turns out Kathy F has a recent post...what a story!

see:
https://www.purplemartin.org/forum/view ... =2&t=32499

BW
2009-2013 a few visitors.
2014: 1 pair of SY love birds, 5 fledges; 2015: 7 pair, 34 Fldg; 2016: 12p/54F; 2017: 14p/71F;
2018: 24p/103F; 2019: 29p/130F; 2020: 38p/190F
Ravens5281
Posts: 159
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:14 pm
Location: Seymour, Indiana
Martin Colony History: PMCA Member:
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest

Haha your welcome Whippy!! I'm glad it's working for u!! Yeah I just want to make sure mine don't twist as much so I'm going to have to experiment with them once I set my houses up @ the end of February to get all the kinks out!!
PMCA Member: From Seymour, Indiana
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest
Whippy
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Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
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I finally got photos of my set up. The gourds barely twist at all but swing quite a bit. I also feel that they will be very secure as they've been tested in strong winds and storms and such.

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This is my 16 Big Bo Gourd rack all S&K with the fountain rack on top.

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This is a photo of the clip system with a perch extension on the end of the fountain rack arm. You can see the perch extensions on the middle photo. Those are fiberglass rods I used for the extensions attached by hose clamps.

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2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
Ravens5281
Posts: 159
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:14 pm
Location: Seymour, Indiana
Martin Colony History: PMCA Member:
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest

Very nice Whippy, & glad u figured out the app so u could upload ur pics!! Now others can see what u have done & the ideas u have!! I like everything & glad urs don't twist that much! I don't mind that mine swing bc that's what I want but not to twist bc they may not be able to get on the gourds if they do that. Mine r definitely not as thick/round as urs & maybe that's why mine twist. I'll get my houses up & see what happens before I lose to much sleep over it :lol:. I've got a pretty creative mind & can always fix the problem if it comes to that!!
PMCA Member: From Seymour, Indiana
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest
Whippy
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Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
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If you look at the clips outer diameter as it relates to the inner diameter of the eyebolt, you'll see that the fit is somewhat snug. This allows them to swing but also limits the twisting. After watching the Martins play on the gourds last year, going in and out of them, they never appeared to have a problem landing on or accessing them. My wife has a video on her phone of that same day and I will ask her to load it on the computer so I can show you how they relate to and access the gourds. Stay tuned.

Coolwhips.
2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
Ravens5281
Posts: 159
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:14 pm
Location: Seymour, Indiana
Martin Colony History: PMCA Member:
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest

Ok gotcha ya!! Yea mine r thinner but I only drilled an 1/8 inch hole in the gourds so I thought that it was pretty snug too but I guess not! But yea upload ur video I would like to see it!!
PMCA Member: From Seymour, Indiana
Name: Stu Silver III
Begin trying to start a Colony since 2014
Had 2 Martins Visitors stop by (2014)
(2015) 2 Martins Visitors passed through
(2016) 35 Days that Martins Visitors/Stopped by but didn't nest
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