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ron20m
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Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:01 pm
Location: Oklahoma/Norman

tonight, maybe 30 minutes before dark, I saw a Martin flopping on the ground under my gourd housing. I walked to investigate and the one I could clearly see took off. There was another on the ground that was so weak I just walked over and picked him up and put in an unused gourd.

There was another incident a week ago, same time of day, and I walked over and Martin was too weak to take off but could fly a couple feet off ground to get away from me.

Another Martin was dead, halfway coming out gourd and thought it might have been wing entrapment except for the dime shaped bare spot on top of his head which I thought was probably a HSP.

I haven't noticed this before. Seems Male martins in a colony wouldn't fight to the death.
If Id left him alone I don't know how much longer the dominant one would have attacked, but maybe if it was just exhaustion, then the weak one would recover after a few minutes.
deancamp
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Hmmm, that's interesting they are fighting here and go to the ground, but never to the extent you have witnessed. I have also seen them hanging from a entrance hole being held by another martin.
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brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

This is interesting behavior. Why would this occur and under what circumstance. I've seen the fighting but nothing like what you witnessed. Curious. Any thoughts out there?
Brent
Whippy
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I've seen my males go at it to the point they let go of each other just before hitting the ground. I've also seen them being held onto at the entrance of the gourd trying to get out. They look like they are trapped by their wings.

I think you may have a HOSP or a Starling sneaking in there and beating up on them. The dime shape on the top of the head is what Ive seen on youtube what a starling will do.

I hope you get it figured out.

Coolwhips
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flyin-lowe
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I've also noticed that all types of wildlife will attack the injured and week. Could it be that the martin was on the ground for some other reason (flew into a window, lack of food, etc.) and the other martins were then attacking it.

Plenty of times I have had a sparrow sitting on housing amongst the martins. I shoot the sparrow and as it literally falls to the ground the martins then go after it. If they would fight them off like that all the time all of our lives would be better......
202160 nests with 187 eggs (6-3-20) HOSP count-9
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2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
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2014 Visitors
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jhcox
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Location: tennesse
Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. 0 pairs
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2019 10 pair
2020 25 pair

I have noticed that a lot here lately I was outside working in the yard the other day and they were two Martin’s on the ground fighting. And a third would get into the from time to time. They finally broke it up when I got within 10 feet or so and they flew off. Had I not been there it could have ended with a dead Martin. I’m not sure about your situation but my male to female ratio right now is 2 to 1. I have roughly 20 males and 10 females. I assume that a lot of the fighting that I have seen is for dominance to get the female. I did find one adult male day it in a gourd the other day. But he didn’t seem hurt in any way.
ron20m
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Good news is that he was weak enough that I picked him up and put in a gourd and checked it tonight and he was not in there, so maybe just exhausted from fighting.
Thomabear
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Location: Cut Off, Louisiana

Its been 4 days since I checked the compartments and I removed three dead males. This is definitely odd for my colony. Also, a week or so ago I witnessed a severe brawl between two males. One made it to the house and the other hit the porch bottom and flew over to the barn edge and landed on the ground exhausted or injured. Not wanting to lower the house right at dark my intent was to keep him safe for the night then return him to the house in the morning. Before I could figure out a way to rescue him an owl pounced on him and flew away with martin in hand. This has definitely been a challenging year...
2019- 6 Pair, 31 Hatched, 30 Fledged
2020- 8 Pair, 38 Hatched, 32 Fledged
2021- 10 Pair, 51 Hatched,
2021- HOSP (Repeating Trap) count to date 47

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brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Challenging it has been indeed. With the extreme cold, severe weather, hawks and owl threats I'm hoping it all ends well. Good luck to you.
Brent
Thomabear
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Location: Cut Off, Louisiana

Same to you Brent! Welcoming this improved weather.
2019- 6 Pair, 31 Hatched, 30 Fledged
2020- 8 Pair, 38 Hatched, 32 Fledged
2021- 10 Pair, 51 Hatched,
2021- HOSP (Repeating Trap) count to date 47

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