When to take down housing

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jeff
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Location: okeana ohio

Hello all,

When will I know when its time to take down the housing for the season?
C.C.Martins
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Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
Home colony: mix natural, super and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mini castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
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Hi Jeff,
Labor day for around here in South texas. Unless weather dictates otherwise.
Normally folks wait until martins have passed through their area and your no longer getting visitors.

This year has been strange, they have been sticking around doing their flyby so our gourds are up.
Tom
PMCA member, believer in nest checks, venting, SREH and pest/predator protection.
jeff
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Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:43 am
Location: okeana ohio

Thanks Tom
Dave Reynolds
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Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2017 Visitors
Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2018 - 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 36 Fledged
2019 - 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 97 Fledged
2020 - 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Fledged
2021 - 30 Pair, 162 Eggs, 144 Fledged

Home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".
2019 - 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Fledged
2020 - 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Fledged
2021 - 8 Pair, 39 Eggs, 36 Fledged

... Jeff ... Mine are still up,,, My Martins left about a week or so a go... Watched a flock of Martins fly over yesterday on their way South.. Some are just not passing through our State and my need a place to spend the night.. I usually take my houses down middle September.. Good luck in 2022 ..

Dave
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flyin-lowe
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Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Before I had a colony established I would leave mine up in Indiana once I stopped seeing any martins, usually some time in September. I also thought that one of the martins passing by from the south might just see my place and like it for next year. Now that I have an established colony I take mine down a week or so after my last ones leave. I haven't seen a martin at my place since last Friday, so I assume mine are gone for the season. If I don't see any more by this coming weekend Ill start taking stuff down.
2021 Currently 62 nest 138 babies plus 110 eggs (6-317-21) HOSP count-9
2020 42 nest, Fledged 164 HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
C.C.Martins
Posts: 1311
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
Home colony: mix natural, super and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mini castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
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Seems to me that martins are not interested in sleeping in houses or gourds when they are in migration out mode? End of season they would come by, check things out and land inspect cavities or even defend a cavity. Then they would transition to just a low fly by, now I can hear a few (yesterday), way up but did not come down.
It would make sense that they would stay when migrating through at seasons end, we have all seen them stay when migrating through at season start. I guess its a good practice to keep them up until they are gone from the area. One person posted a great picture of roosting birds all over their houses, and power lines. Just never know I guess.
Tom
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jeff
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Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:43 am
Location: okeana ohio

I have seen PM's in the morning and evening but they only fly around eating and I have not noticed them taking interest in the housing.

I most likely will wait until mid sept.

Do fledgings leave the nest for good before all the fledgings have learned to fly?
I stopped nest checks when I thought the oldest where ready to try to fly. At that time I counted 69 chicks and 25 eggs. I never did see any more than 30-40 birds around the housing before they left and was wondering why. I have not lowered the housing yet
C.C.Martins
Posts: 1311
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
Home colony: mix natural, super and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mini castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
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Hey Jeff,
Good call no rush to take it down. Ill try to answer your question about those fledges. Some will leave the nest 2 to 3 days early, and return with the adults then slowly they will all learn to fly. May take a few days some are just reluctant, it takes some coaxing by the adults.
They do return, two of 4 chicks may take off early but come back in at night, then eventually they all go.
One thing I noticed especially this year was the adults were training their fledges to return to their cavity, if that fledge dared to go to another they got roughed up. Its rough to watch, but its a lesson they must learn. As time went on...about a week...the fledges caught on, adults would stay with them every night. Towards the end the adults brought them home, but weren't as strict. They stood guard and let the chicks pass to go in, but towards dark the adults left for their roost. Those fledges left outside would pile into a cavity, sometimes 7 or 8 in one. I found that interesting. If one or two went in, others would follow quick until they were all in. Adults would come back in the morning to collect them.
So, if you have a late nest there would be differences. We had a very early nest in 2019, they took their chicks as soon as they could and never came back. Rest of the colony were still feeding chicks but these adults wanted to go.
Be interested to hear your final count. This year (except for two exceptions) I did the same thing you did. Stopped when they were just about to fledge. It turned out fine but I was always a little worried about not knowing what was going on.
Tom
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jeff
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Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:43 am
Location: okeana ohio

Thanks Tom, I appreciate your answer.

I really do not know how to figure a final count.

The best I can come up with is the last nest check done on June 25, 2021. Stopped nest checks as was afraid of the older chicks jumping out.
34 housing cavities available of which a total of 27 cavities had with either eggs or chicks or both.
a total of 69 chicks counted varying in age of just hatched to molten feathers.
and there were 27 eggs not yet hatched

It was impossible for me to count in flight birds
C.C.Martins
Posts: 1311
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
Home colony: mix natural, super and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mini castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
PMCA member

I used to count adults. Impossible. Now i do a pair to a cavitiy, eggs then chicks. Sometimes there's a single male in a cavity, don't count it.
You have a good count.
Because it is necessary (sometimes) to do a nest check with older chicks present you may want to consider having the ability to do nest checks. Its easy, plug and string method. Highly recommend the capability, it can save your martins.
All the best,
Tom
Tom
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Rafke77
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Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:47 pm
Location: Plymouth, IN
Martin Colony History: 2021 Texas deep freeze, first arrived 4/6. 37 pair, 143 hatched, 140 fledged, 21 non viable.

2020 first arrived 3/27. 21 pair, 92 fledged, 9 non viable.

2019 first time with Martin's, first arrived 4/24 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable.

flyin-lowe wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:47 pm
Before I had a colony established I would leave mine up in Indiana once I stopped seeing any martins, usually some time in September. I also thought that one of the martins passing by from the south might just see my place and like it for next year. Now that I have an established colony I take mine down a week or so after my last ones leave. I haven't seen a martin at my place since last Friday, so I assume mine are gone for the season. If I don't see any more by this coming weekend Ill start taking stuff down.
If I remember correctly I'm north of you in Indiana, just south of South bend in Plymouth. I usually leave mine up through September. I didn't want to hijack this thread so I'm going to start a new one, but just this morning after iurs have been gone for a couple weeks already, a group of 20 to 30 just stopped over! I woke up to look outside and seen them all perched on my gourds!
Yesterday I was working outside and heard two flying around but today was a big surprise.
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